The AMD Ryzen 9 7900, Ryzen 7 7700, and Ryzen 5 7600 Review: Zen 4 Efficiency at 65 Watts
by Gavin Bonshor on January 9, 2023 9:00 AM ESTCPU Benchmark Performance: Simulation
Simulation and Science have a lot of overlap in the benchmarking world. The benchmarks that fall under Science have a distinct use for the data they output – in our Simulation section, these act more like synthetics but at some level are still trying to simulate a given environment.
In the encrypt/decrypt scenario, how data is transferred and by what mechanism is pertinent to on-the-fly encryption of sensitive data - a process by which more modern devices are leaning to for software security.
We are using DDR5 memory on the 12th and 13th Gen Core parts, as well as the Ryzen 7000 series, at the following settings:
- DDR5-5600B CL46 - Intel 13th Gen
- DDR5-5200 CL44 - Ryzen 7000
- DDR5-4800 (B) CL40 - Intel 12th Gen
All other CPUs such as Ryzen 5000 and 3000 were tested at the relevant JEDEC settings as per the processor's individual memory support with DDR4.
Simulation
In our simulation-based tests, the AMD Ryzen 7000 65 W SKUs start to break away from each other as single-core IPC performance isn't as crucial as multi-threaded performance in some cases.
The 65 W implementation on the 6C/12 Ryzen 5 7600 starts to show its limitations as a hex-core part, with the Ryzen 9 7900 (12C/24T) performing above our expectations in the majority of our simulation tests.
As expected, the Ryzen 7 7700 (8C/16T) sits in the middle of the three Ryzen 7000 65 W series processors in regards to performance, but it also sits in the middle in terms of specifications, core count, and pricing.
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bcortens - Monday, January 9, 2023 - link
My annoyance is mostly that it is misleading - while I understand that companies market these things this way the fact of the matter is that the efficiency is not at 65 Watts, its at 90 Watts. Sure they are spectacularly efficient compared to when running them without power limits but the power limits given by marketing are useless for talking about efficiency because they are just numbers on a slide. AMD could call it TDP 50 Watts and it would be just as meaningful because the real number is so far off.Zucker2k - Monday, January 9, 2023 - link
The 90 watts also doesn't account for iod consumption. So, overall chip consumption is higher than 90 watts.mczak - Monday, January 9, 2023 - link
That's definitely wrong. The PPT number, as the name implies (package power tracking) certainly includes the IOD, it's a limit which applies to the socket. (It does of course not include the B650 (or whatever) chipset but that's of course the same with intel.)Zucker2k - Monday, January 9, 2023 - link
PPT is AMD's version of Intel's PL2 or boosting power level.The power limits reported for the chip and iod are separate.
Gigaplex - Monday, January 9, 2023 - link
PPT is for the whole package. The CCD and IOD do report separate power, but the total package power is also reported and is what is governed by PPT.Gigaplex - Monday, January 9, 2023 - link
PPT does include the IOD, but the TDP is pretty close to the actual power consumption of the CCD.yankeeDDL - Wednesday, January 11, 2023 - link
There's no perfect solution. The gap between what "you think" 65W means in case of AMD, and the reality, is still much smaller than in case of Intel's TDP.Inte'ls 125W CPU can reach well beyond 200W, which is insane (nearly 2x). In case of AMD the difference (explained quite clearly) is much lower (30~40%).
Gigaplex - Monday, January 9, 2023 - link
Another thing to add is that the 65W chips use about 65W for the cores, the rest of the wattage is for the IO.Zucker2k - Tuesday, January 10, 2023 - link
PL2 (boost power level) for Ryzen is tdp x 1.35. So, in this case: 65x1.35 = 87.75. The IOD consumes more than what ll be left here. In any case, the best way to measure these types consumption, from my observations, is to measure from the wall. It usually results in far greater discrepancies than software reports.Atari2600 - Tuesday, January 10, 2023 - link
Source please zucker.