ASUS P5B-E: P965 stepping C1 versus C2, Round One
by Gary Key on October 4, 2006 9:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Overclocking
Our BIOS settings were fairly conservative as we left the memory settings at Auto. We tried fine tuning each of ten different memory options but in the end the board responded better over the 485FSB level with memory set at Auto timings. We changed our voltage and other settings to 2.10V RAM, 1.450V FSB Termination, 103 MHz PCI Express, PCI fixed at 33.33MHz, DRAM Frequency at 1:1, Spread Spectrum disabled, Static Read Control disabled, and all power conservation settings disabled. Dialing in the proper CPU voltage was tricky at times due to the voltage droop on this board. In our final settings we found 1.5250V ended up being around 1.4875V under load with 1.5000V dropping to 1.4625V.
We were amazed by our overclocking results on this board with either MCH stepping as we figured the lack of MCH voltage adjustability and memory voltages not exceeding 2.10V would have hampered our clocks to the mid-400 FSB level. Like other ASUS boards, we had to gradually increase the FSB speeds while adjusting CPU voltages and memory settings in order to reach this level. Our retail E6300 was able to boot into Windows XP at 7x521 but we consistently had benchmark failures until we backed off to 7x515 on the C1 stepping and 7x514 on the C2 stepping. With our component choices these standard overclock levels were solid for 24/7 operation. We are currently testing the overclocking capability of our E6600 and E6400 processors for the next article update. We were not able to exceed the 525MHz FSB level when dropping the CPU multiplier to 6. We could post at 6x533 with either stepping but once again the stable limit was at 6x525. We see this limitation as a combination of not having enough MCH voltage and the inability to increase our memory voltage past 2.10V. In the end, both MCH steppings overclocked in the same manner although we found the memory and 3DMark06 scores to slightly favor the C2 stepping even with the C1 stepping system having a slightly higher overclock, maybe our Intel engineer was correct about the minor memory tweaks.
Considering the BIOS limitations we have with the memory and MCH voltages it is impossible to tell if the C2 stepping would really overclock better on this board or not; we do know for a fact that our C1 seems to be every bit the equal to our C2 stepping. This is exactly what the motherboard suppliers have been telling us and why they will not be changing the board designations when the switchover to C2 occurs. The majority of the suppliers we contacted expect this switchover to be complete by the end of October. We expect the current overclocking capability will change when a supplier introduces a new board or BIOS design that takes additional advantage of the P965 chipset. However, we have been informed that even in this case the two steppings are almost identical in performance with the board layout, BIOS, and components being the most critical areas in improving overclocking. After testing two other C2 stepping motherboards we found a difference of 12 FSB between identical boards so the luck of the draw in getting a good MCH is just as important as getting an overclock friendly CPU.
Asus P5B-E Overclocking Testbed |
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Processor: | Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Dual Core, 1.86GHz, 2MB Unified Cache 1066FSB, 7x Multiplier |
CPU Voltage: | 1.5250V (default 1.3250V) |
Cooling: | Scythe Infinity Air Cooling |
Power Supply: | OCZ GameXStream 700W |
Memory: | Corsair Twin2X2048-PC2-6400C3 (2x1GB), 2.10V (Micron Memory Chips) |
Video Cards: | 1 x MSI X1950XTX |
Hard Drive: | Seagate 320GB 7200RPM SATA2 16MB Buffer |
Case: | Cooler Master CM Stacker 830 |
Maximum CPU OC: (Standard Ratio) |
515x7 (4-4-4-12, 1:1), CPU 1.5250V C1 Stepping - 3610MHz (+93%) |
514x7 (4-4-4-12, 1:1), CPU 1.5250V C2 Stepping - 3602MHz (+93%) |
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Maximum FSB OC: (Lowest Ratio) |
525x6 (5-4-5-12, 1:1), CPU 1.5000V C1 Stepping - 3148MHz (+97%) |
525x6 (5-4-5-12, 1:1), CPU 1.5000V C2 Stepping - 3148MHz (+97%) |
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Our BIOS settings were fairly conservative as we left the memory settings at Auto. We tried fine tuning each of ten different memory options but in the end the board responded better over the 485FSB level with memory set at Auto timings. We changed our voltage and other settings to 2.10V RAM, 1.450V FSB Termination, 103 MHz PCI Express, PCI fixed at 33.33MHz, DRAM Frequency at 1:1, Spread Spectrum disabled, Static Read Control disabled, and all power conservation settings disabled. Dialing in the proper CPU voltage was tricky at times due to the voltage droop on this board. In our final settings we found 1.5250V ended up being around 1.4875V under load with 1.5000V dropping to 1.4625V.
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We were amazed by our overclocking results on this board with either MCH stepping as we figured the lack of MCH voltage adjustability and memory voltages not exceeding 2.10V would have hampered our clocks to the mid-400 FSB level. Like other ASUS boards, we had to gradually increase the FSB speeds while adjusting CPU voltages and memory settings in order to reach this level. Our retail E6300 was able to boot into Windows XP at 7x521 but we consistently had benchmark failures until we backed off to 7x515 on the C1 stepping and 7x514 on the C2 stepping. With our component choices these standard overclock levels were solid for 24/7 operation. We are currently testing the overclocking capability of our E6600 and E6400 processors for the next article update. We were not able to exceed the 525MHz FSB level when dropping the CPU multiplier to 6. We could post at 6x533 with either stepping but once again the stable limit was at 6x525. We see this limitation as a combination of not having enough MCH voltage and the inability to increase our memory voltage past 2.10V. In the end, both MCH steppings overclocked in the same manner although we found the memory and 3DMark06 scores to slightly favor the C2 stepping even with the C1 stepping system having a slightly higher overclock, maybe our Intel engineer was correct about the minor memory tweaks.
Considering the BIOS limitations we have with the memory and MCH voltages it is impossible to tell if the C2 stepping would really overclock better on this board or not; we do know for a fact that our C1 seems to be every bit the equal to our C2 stepping. This is exactly what the motherboard suppliers have been telling us and why they will not be changing the board designations when the switchover to C2 occurs. The majority of the suppliers we contacted expect this switchover to be complete by the end of October. We expect the current overclocking capability will change when a supplier introduces a new board or BIOS design that takes additional advantage of the P965 chipset. However, we have been informed that even in this case the two steppings are almost identical in performance with the board layout, BIOS, and components being the most critical areas in improving overclocking. After testing two other C2 stepping motherboards we found a difference of 12 FSB between identical boards so the luck of the draw in getting a good MCH is just as important as getting an overclock friendly CPU.
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cmdrdredd - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
How come they talk about using 1.5125 vcore and then CPU-Z says it's only 1.26. Are they running at 1.5125 as they said or not?I don't know many people who can get a E6300 to 3.6 wih that type of low voltage.
Gary Key - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
CPU-Z does not report the voltages correctly on the Core 2 Duo processor series.cmdrdredd - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
It sure works fine for me when I downloaded it off the site. I guess it's a newer version.On your past articles that showed voltages they also read low which may mean it wasn't reading at all.
Gary Key - Thursday, October 5, 2006 - link
The article was already completed when 1.37 came out. I have tested it the past couple of days and notice the voltage is reading a tad bit high on some boards now. However, it is a lot more accurate than 1.36 or before. At least it will be easy to tell from the screenshots what range our voltage settings are at now.vailr - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
There's an updated CPU-Z "version 1.37" available.vailr - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
http://www.majorgeeks.com/CPU-Z_d425.html"> CPU-Z 1.37LoneWolf15 - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
Does the P5B-E support Matrix RAID?Capt Caveman - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
Yes, it will support Matrix RAID as it uses a ICH8R Southbridge.LoneWolf15 - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
Every time I've looked for one, it didn't have the slot configuration I needed, or lacked Firewire...this looks like it might have everything.My only question left...I've not heard great things about the JMicron IDE controller used since the i965 no longer has ATA support. I'll still need it, what with the lack of good SATA optical drives, and some programs that appear not to like SATA optical drives even if I used them. What does Anandtech think of this controller as opposed to the native Intel ICH7xx IDE controller?
xsilver - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
just wanted to clarify,485fsb was the highest you could get the board to go under default voltage (cpu+ram?) conditions?
do you think that was a mobo limitation or cpu?