ASUS P5B-E: P965 stepping C1 versus C2, Round One
by Gary Key on October 4, 2006 9:00 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
Test Setup
Test conditions were maintained the same, as much as possible, over the platforms tested except in our overclocked tests where the final overclocking capability of each board is measured. Our game tests were run at settings of 1024x768 4xAA, 1280x1024 4xAA, 1600x1200 4xAA, and 1920x1200 4xAA with 8xAF implemented in games that support this feature. We feel like these settings and resolutions will provide accurate benchmark results for the typical user utilizing a high end video card with a midrange processor. We have included the E6600 scores for comparison and will provide additional overclock scores in our follow-up article. All results are reported in our charts and color-coded for easier identification of results. We utilized new drive images on each board and for each GPU choice in order to minimize any potential driver conflicts. Our 3DMark results are generated utilizing the standard benchmark resolution for each program. We run each benchmark five times, throw out the two low and high scores, and report the remaining score.
Synthetic Performance
The 3DMark series of benchmarks by FutureMark are among the most widely used tools for benchmark reporting and comparisons. Although the benchmarks are very useful for providing apple to apple comparisons across a broad array of GPU and CPU configurations, they are not a substitute for actual application and gaming benchmarks. In this sense we consider the 3DMark benchmarks to be purely synthetic in nature but still valuable for providing consistent measurements of performance.
Our C2 stepping motherboard offers an imperceptible improvement in the stock clock speed Sandra Unbuffered and overclock tests. The C2 board also has a minor advantage in the Sandra Buffered scores although the C1 stepping system is clocked slightly higher in the overclocked scores. We have been saying for years the Buffered benchmark usually does not correlate well with real performance in applications on the same computer. For that reason, our memory bandwidth tests have always included an Unbuffered Sandra memory score. The Unbuffered result turns off the buffering schemes, and we have found the results usually correlate well with real-world performance as we will see shortly. The C2 board holds a small advantage in the E6600 and both E6300 clock settings in our latency tests.
In our more strenuous graphics test utilizing 3DMark06 we find the C2 stepping in the lead once again although the margin of victory is negligible. The same margin holds true in our 3DMark 2001 SE test that is very sensitive to memory and CPU changes. Overall, the differences in performance are non-existent but we did see a trend with the C2 stepping having the slimmest of advantages across the board in our memory benchmarks. Whether this will translate into a performance advantage in our application and gaming tests is yet to be seen, but it is unlikely to do so.
General Performance
We decided to test a couple of real world applications that typically stress the CPU, memory, and storage systems along with a synthetic test to see if the performance differences in our memory synthetic tests carry over to the desktop. Our real world application tests include activities that are common on the desktop.
Our first test was to measure the time it takes to shrink the entire Office Space DVD that was extracted with AnyDVD into a single 4.5GB DVD image utilizing Nero Recode 2. Our second test consists of utilizing Exact Audio Copy as the front end for our version 3.98a3 of LAME. We setup EAC for variable bit rate encoding, burst mode for extraction, use external program for compression, and to start the external compressor upon extraction (EAC will read the next track while LAME is working on the previous track, thus removing a potential bottleneck with the optical drive). Our test CD is INXS Greatest Hits, a one time '80s glory masterpiece containing 16 tracks totaling 606MB of songs. The results of our tests are presented in minutes/seconds with lower numbers being better.
Our third test is Cinebench 9.5 which heavily stresses the CPU subsystem while performing graphics modeling and rendering. We utilize the standard dual core benchmark demo within the program along with the default settings. Cinebench 9.5 features two different benchmarks with one test utilizing a single core and the second test showcasing the power of multiple cores in rendering the benchmark image. Our fourth test is the built-in benchmark in WinRAR 3.61 which heavily tests the CPU and storage subsystems. The results are presented in a standardized score format with higher numbers being better.
In a reversal of our synthetic benchmarks the C1 stepping leads in our general application tests. The difference in performance between the two steppings is extremely minor at stock speeds. At the overclocked settings the C1 stepping holds a larger advantage due to the increase in clock speed of the C1 system over the C2 system. We also ran both systems at the same 7x514 setting with the C1 still scoring better in all applications except for Cinebench 9.5 where they tied. This indicates to us once again that the performance of both steppings is basically equal at this time.
Asus P5B-E Performance Test Configuration |
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Processor: | Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 (1.86GHz, 2MB Unified Cache) |
RAM: | Corsair Twin2X2048-PC2-6400C3 (2x1GB) Tested at DDR2-800 3-3-3-8 2.10V, 4-4-4-12 2.10V for overclocking |
Hard Drive: | Seagate 320GB 7200RPM SATA2 16MB Buffer |
System Platform Drivers: | Intel - 8.1.1.1001 |
Video Cards: | 1 x MSI X1950XTX |
Video Drivers: | MSI/ATI Catalyst 6.9 |
CPU Cooling: | Scythe Infinity |
Power Supply: | OCZ GameXstream 700W |
Optical Drive: | Pioneer BDR-101A |
Case: | Cooler Master CM Stacker 830 |
Motherboards: | Asus P5B-E (Intel P965 C1) - Bios 0402 Asus P5B-E (Intel P965 C2) - Bios 0402 |
Operating System: | Windows XP Professional SP2 |
Test conditions were maintained the same, as much as possible, over the platforms tested except in our overclocked tests where the final overclocking capability of each board is measured. Our game tests were run at settings of 1024x768 4xAA, 1280x1024 4xAA, 1600x1200 4xAA, and 1920x1200 4xAA with 8xAF implemented in games that support this feature. We feel like these settings and resolutions will provide accurate benchmark results for the typical user utilizing a high end video card with a midrange processor. We have included the E6600 scores for comparison and will provide additional overclock scores in our follow-up article. All results are reported in our charts and color-coded for easier identification of results. We utilized new drive images on each board and for each GPU choice in order to minimize any potential driver conflicts. Our 3DMark results are generated utilizing the standard benchmark resolution for each program. We run each benchmark five times, throw out the two low and high scores, and report the remaining score.
Synthetic Performance
The 3DMark series of benchmarks by FutureMark are among the most widely used tools for benchmark reporting and comparisons. Although the benchmarks are very useful for providing apple to apple comparisons across a broad array of GPU and CPU configurations, they are not a substitute for actual application and gaming benchmarks. In this sense we consider the 3DMark benchmarks to be purely synthetic in nature but still valuable for providing consistent measurements of performance.
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Our C2 stepping motherboard offers an imperceptible improvement in the stock clock speed Sandra Unbuffered and overclock tests. The C2 board also has a minor advantage in the Sandra Buffered scores although the C1 stepping system is clocked slightly higher in the overclocked scores. We have been saying for years the Buffered benchmark usually does not correlate well with real performance in applications on the same computer. For that reason, our memory bandwidth tests have always included an Unbuffered Sandra memory score. The Unbuffered result turns off the buffering schemes, and we have found the results usually correlate well with real-world performance as we will see shortly. The C2 board holds a small advantage in the E6600 and both E6300 clock settings in our latency tests.
In our more strenuous graphics test utilizing 3DMark06 we find the C2 stepping in the lead once again although the margin of victory is negligible. The same margin holds true in our 3DMark 2001 SE test that is very sensitive to memory and CPU changes. Overall, the differences in performance are non-existent but we did see a trend with the C2 stepping having the slimmest of advantages across the board in our memory benchmarks. Whether this will translate into a performance advantage in our application and gaming tests is yet to be seen, but it is unlikely to do so.
General Performance
We decided to test a couple of real world applications that typically stress the CPU, memory, and storage systems along with a synthetic test to see if the performance differences in our memory synthetic tests carry over to the desktop. Our real world application tests include activities that are common on the desktop.
Our first test was to measure the time it takes to shrink the entire Office Space DVD that was extracted with AnyDVD into a single 4.5GB DVD image utilizing Nero Recode 2. Our second test consists of utilizing Exact Audio Copy as the front end for our version 3.98a3 of LAME. We setup EAC for variable bit rate encoding, burst mode for extraction, use external program for compression, and to start the external compressor upon extraction (EAC will read the next track while LAME is working on the previous track, thus removing a potential bottleneck with the optical drive). Our test CD is INXS Greatest Hits, a one time '80s glory masterpiece containing 16 tracks totaling 606MB of songs. The results of our tests are presented in minutes/seconds with lower numbers being better.
Our third test is Cinebench 9.5 which heavily stresses the CPU subsystem while performing graphics modeling and rendering. We utilize the standard dual core benchmark demo within the program along with the default settings. Cinebench 9.5 features two different benchmarks with one test utilizing a single core and the second test showcasing the power of multiple cores in rendering the benchmark image. Our fourth test is the built-in benchmark in WinRAR 3.61 which heavily tests the CPU and storage subsystems. The results are presented in a standardized score format with higher numbers being better.
Click to enlarge |
In a reversal of our synthetic benchmarks the C1 stepping leads in our general application tests. The difference in performance between the two steppings is extremely minor at stock speeds. At the overclocked settings the C1 stepping holds a larger advantage due to the increase in clock speed of the C1 system over the C2 system. We also ran both systems at the same 7x514 setting with the C1 still scoring better in all applications except for Cinebench 9.5 where they tied. This indicates to us once again that the performance of both steppings is basically equal at this time.
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Gary Key - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
The highest we could get while keeping the memory timings tight was 485FSB, that level required 2.10V on the memory and 1.4625V on the CPU. Anything over 485FSB, we just let the board handle the memory timings automatically, probably could have decreased tRAS to 10.xsilver - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
ok,then how high can it go on default voltages? northbridge,dram,cpu
thanks
Ecmaster76 - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
C1 -> C2 implies a very minor change.Conventionally a major reviosion comes with a new letter designation like C1 -> D#
Plus performance improvements of the magnitude apparently rumored would not be sold as the same chipset. Instead it would probably be marketed as a new product and perhaps even released with a new socket or voltage regulation standard to make upgrading even more fun.
Tujan - Wednesday, October 4, 2006 - link
Found myself just getting out of the middrift to browse ASUS for that notorious AMD ATI motherboard wich shouldhave been out in September.Of course I couldn't keep myself from looking at the 775 Intel MBs from ASUS. There is was an ASUS P5B. 1 PCIexpress,and 3PCI . Passive cooling,and an eSata to go with it.
Then alas I still had to find somebody who had something using a 'Core-Duo for sale. To use it. The same story,just enough in a review and nothing on the retail,or you could find something in some foreign country..perhaps.
Yes,there IS a Asus P5B for sale.Yes,it IS an ASUS P5B-E !!! No,..im not going to tell you where. Nananana no,no...(snickers).
Seriously,the Asus P5B fits right there between the other single PCI-e 965 motherboards I have read reviewed on Anandtechs website. I count around 4 of them at the present time. But I keep reading. There is a Foxconn board out there somewhere with the same type of derivitive numbering. Still different specs.and performer however.
Cant really say too much now can we. Dont want to upset the 975x boys now.
ASUS P5B motherboard looks like a "nice"motherboard.
rawr1234 - Thursday, October 5, 2006 - link
You guys didnt test Rev 1.02G ... only 1.01G, rev 1.02G is soposed to be able to change the volt on ram up to 2.45v and it comes with C2Gary Key - Thursday, October 5, 2006 - link
We have another 1.02G board coming, the 1.01G boards actually clocked better. You will see the 1.02G results late next week.JarredWalton - Thursday, October 5, 2006 - link
That was sort of the point - this is an "apples to apples" comparison of C1 and C2 on a motherboard that will ship with both revisions. Testing a C2-only board and drawing conclusions that C2 is better isn't fair - maybe it's just the board that's better. So basically, any improvements over C1 boards judging by this article are going to be largely due to the improved motherboard/BIOS designs and not the chipset revision.