Phenom II Value

It has been quite a while coming, but AMD fans can once again put together a capable value priced and very competitive computer with screaming overclocking capabilities with Phenom II. There are two apparent CPU candidates for the Phenom II value system. The obvious choice might appear to be the 810 or 920, but the new 720BE has many charms at a lower price.  Reality also sets in when you see the Phenom II 940, which was introduced in January for $275, now selling at some etailers for as little as $170. For those reasons we chose the unlocked AM3 720BE for a DDR3 value system, and the unlocked AM2+ 940BE - at closeout pricing - for a DDR2 value system.

As discussed in many overclocking articles here, there are normally two types of overclockers. First are those who overclock for value, which are those that select cheaper parts rated at lower specs for their ability to overclock to much higher performance levels. The other group consists of overclockers trying to reach the highest overclock possible, who usually choose the highest priced and higher-performance parts to overclock even further. This last group should likely look to the 955BE in the Phenom II performance system on the next page. That system is built around the new 3.2GHz Phenom II 955BE, which distinguished itself as the best overclocker from AMD we have ever tested.

The choice of the $145 Phenom X3 720BE for the value DDR3 system pushes our perspective on other parts toward the value side of the overclocking equation. That means we have paired the 720 with a new DDR3 $135 motherboard instead of the very best $200 ASUS M4A79 Deluxe. It also means we matched the Full HD monitor with a cheaper video card that can deliver performance as good as you will likely get on a 1920x1080 monitor. It makes little sense to suggest a higher performing video card or CF or SLI graphics system if you can only see the better performance on a 30" monitor that is not part of this system. The same thinking went into the 940BE DDR2 system, which is built around the close-out priced 940BE.

Generally, parts were selected because they are a good value that can become an even better value should you decide to overclock. Below are both DDR2 and DDR3 Phenom II systems. Most components are the same, but the CPU, motherboard, and of course memory do differ between the two value builds.

Phenom II DDR3 Value PC
Hardware Component Price
Processor AMD Phenom II X3 720BE
(2.8GHz x3, 3x512KB L2, 6MB L3 Cache 95W)
$139
Cooling Xigmatek Dark Knight-S1283V, 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail $40
Video Sapphire 100245HDMI Radeon HD 4850 512MB ($120 less $20 Rebate) $100
Motherboard ASUS M4A78T-E $140
Memory OCZ Extreme Edition 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3-1600 (PC3 12800) OCZ3X16004GK 7-7-7 ($83 less $30 Rebate) $53
Hard Drive Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000333AS 1TB $85
Optical Drive LG BD/HD DVD / 16x DVD+/- RW GGC-H20L - Retail $109
Audio On-Board Audio -
Case COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 RC-534-SKN2-GP Black/Silver Aluminum & Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower $50
Power Supply BFG Tech LS SERIES LS-550 550W Continuous@40C SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified ($20 Rebate) $60
Base System Total $776
Display Acer X2333Hbid Black 23" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor (1920x1080) $190
Speakers Logitech X-540 70W 5.1 Speaker System $79
Keyboard Logitech G11 USB Gaming Keyboard $59
Mouse Logitech MX518 8-Button/1 Wheel USB 1800dpi Laser Mouse $40
Operating System Microsoft Vista Home Premium OEM $99
Complete System Bottom Line $1243

With the careful selection of components, there is no real penalty in choosing DDR3 for your Phenom II OC system. If fact the choice of the cheaper 720BE CPU for the DDR3 offsets the slightly higher cost of DDR3 memory. As a result, the DDR3 build is about the same cost as the DDR2 value build. Of course, you also give up one CPU core and 200MHz stock clock speed.

Some may already have very good DDR2, and they may prefer a mature DDR2 board. Below are the component selections for a Phenom II DDR2 OC system. The closeout pricing of the DDR2-only 940BE also makes building a DDR2 Phenom II very tempting as long as those cheaper 940BE processors remain in the market.

Phenom II DDR2 Value PC
Hardware Component Price
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE
(3.0GHz x4, 4x512KB L2, 6MB L3 Cache)
$170
Cooling Xigmatek Dark Knight-S1283V, 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail $40
Video Sapphire 100245HDMI Radeon HD 4850 512MB ($120 less $20 Rebate) $100
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-UD4H $129
Memory Corsair DDR2-1066 4GB Kit TWIN2X4096-8500C5 5-5-5-15 ($64 less $30 Rebate) $34
Hard Drive Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000333AS 1TB $85
Optical Drive LG BD/HD DVD / 16x DVD+/- RW GGC-H20L - Retail $109
Audio On-Board Audio -
Case COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 RC-534-SKN2-GP Black/Silver Aluminum and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower $50
Power Supply BFG Tech LS SERIES LS-550 550W Continuous@40C SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified ($20 Rebate) $60
Base System Total $777
Display Acer X2333Hbid Black 23" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor (1920x1080) $190
Speakers Logitech X-540 70W 5.1 Speaker System $79
Keyboard Logitech G11 USB Gaming Keyboard $59
Mouse Logitech MX518 8-Button/1 Wheel USB 1800dpi Laser Mouse $40
Operating System Microsoft Vista Home Premium OEM $99
Complete System Bottom Line $1244

The ASUS DDR3 motherboard is very cost effective, and the DDR3-1800 memory costs all but the same as the DDR2-1066 selected for the DDR2 value system. The ASUS M4A78T-E has proved to be a very capable overclocker with the latest BIOS. In the lab, 3.9GHz was easily reached with the Phenom II 720BE processor. That is as good as we have achieved with the best Phenom II DDR2 motherboards. You may squeeze a bit more from our top overclocking ASUS M4A79 Deluxe, but at a cost of $200 versus $140 for the ASUS M4A78T-E you have to ask whether the cost justifies the possibility of overclocking a bit beyond 3.9GHz.

As shown in the Phenom II X4 810 and X3 720 launch review, the new 720BE is something of a value builder's dream. For just $139 you get an unlocked multiplier, three cores each with 512KB of L2 cache, and the same 6MB L3 cache used in the X4 Phenom II processors. Rated speed is 2.8GHz, which basically makes this an unlocked 920 with a disabled core. In bench testing we easily reached 3.8GHz, about the same as the most expensive first generation Phenom II, and you will only miss that fourth core in a few applications that actually take advantage of parallel processing. On the whole the 720BE is a dream of a value CPU, and you will likely see even further improvement in performance capabilities as the latest AMD Phenom II cores migrate to the 720BE in the future..

We've paired the Phenom II 720BE with an AMD DDR3 motherboard that emerged as a fast and stable computing tool in our test labs. With the latest BIOS, the ASUS M4A78T-E is very stable at standard speeds and a prolific overclocker with good quality DDR3 memory. This is quite an accomplishment for a new technology motherboard that sells for just $135. The socket AM3 790GX M4A78T-E easily reached 3.9GHz in our testing with the Phenom II 720 and quality DDR3 memory.

An OCZ Extreme Edition 4GB high-speed (7-7-7) DDR3-1600 kit was chosen for the DDR3 Value system.  The fast 7-7-7 timings are even faster at DDR3-1333 and should provide great performance in the DDR3 build.  If you plan to seriously overclock you might wish to choose an even faster DDR3 memory for extended headroon, but the 1600 speed does provide all the overclocking flexibility the Phenom II 955BE needs.  This DDR3-1600 7-7-7 is a good value at the normal selling price of $83, but the current $30 rebate drops the net price to just $53.  

The DDR2 OC system is equipped with 4GB of Corsair DDR2-1066. This memory has fast 5-5-5 timings at DDR2-1066 and performed very well in overclocking tests. There is currently a $30 rebate on this memory that drops the price from $64 to $34.

The DDR2 version of the Phenom II value system combines the 940BE with the well-regarded Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-UD4H at $129. This Gigabyte is one of the best overclocking boards in this price range. The $200 ASUS M4A79 Deluxe is a slightly better overclocker but you will pay a good deal for the small increase in OC ability. Those who want the very best overclocker to combine with their bargain 940BE, however, will not be disappointed in the abilities of the ASUS M4A79 Deluxe.

While the stock AMD cooler is adequate for normal cooling and modestly overclocking a Phenom II, better cooling is needed to push the CPU to its limits. The Xigmatek Dark Knight-S1283V cooler did very well in the lab and it is a good match to the Phenom II 720BE or the 940BE at a price that won't break the bank. You also will not need to remove the motherboard to attach the Dark Knight since it uses a push clip to mount to the existing AM2/AM2+/AM3 CPU cage.

The Cooler Master Centurion 534 is a good value no matter how you look at it. It does come in different configurations, and the RC-534-SKN2-GP case is a good choice since it comes with three 120mm fans (front, side, and back) for cooling and installation requires no tools other than a screwdriver for mounting the motherboard. There are also plenty of drive bay options with five external 5.25" bays, one external 3.5", and four internal 3.5". Front USB/Firewire/Audio connectors are also featured. Builders report smooth edges and no sharp pieces to cut your hand during assembly. Even the expansion slots are screwless in this design. Our selection at $50 is black with a brushed aluminum and mesh front, but the case is also available in all black if you prefer.

The power supply for the Phenom II OC system is the winner of the recent 500W to 550W roundup. The BFG Tech LS-550 grabbed our Gold Editors' Choice in the roundup for its great balance of performance. The BFG delivered good performance in every aspect, with tight voltage regulation and ripple well within specifications. Efficiency was through the roof, with 86% efficiency at 20% load. It also generated the highest maximum efficiency of 88% on 230VAC and 86% on 120VAC. With a good selection of connectors and reasonable cable lengths, the LS-550 is a great PSU for a value-oriented overclocking system.

We have paired the Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB video card with both Phenom II Value systems. As pointed out in the Multi-GPU Update, the 4850 is one of the best values in resolutions up to 1920x1080. At the value price of just $100 after a $20 rebate the Sapphire 4850 is the best price we have even seen for a name brand 4850. It was hard to resist, particularly when you consider that Sapphire is the major AMD/ATI video card manufacturer. If you want more performance, add a second 4850 in CrossFire mode and you can even drive a 30" monitor very adequately for gaming. For a total investment of just $200 the 4850 CrossFire will provide performance for the price that nothing else can really touch. That is a very good match to the goals of a Phenom II value system.

The hard drive used in the Phenom II value systems is the Seagate Barracuda 1TB (1000GB) with true 7200RPM speed, 32MB cache, and 3-year warranty. The Seagate is an outstanding value in 1TB drives at just $85. Early 1.5TB and 1TB Seagate drives did have issues, but the latest firmware has been trouble-free. Still the early problems have forced Seagate to go for a lower price to attract market share, and $85 for a 1TB hard drive from a major manufacturer is a superb value.

The Logitech X-540 has been a perennial favorite of users as a reasonably priced but good performing powered 5.1 computer speaker system. It will certainly not challenge the performance of a separate Dolby amplifier powering audiophile speakers, but it will provide surprisingly good sound for the price.

The last major component to discuss is the display, and here the tilt was toward best value at 1080p Full HD (1920x1080) resolution with the Acer 23" LCD. The resolution is the same 1920x1080 chosen for the budget Phenom II system, but the screen is larger and easier on the eyes for just $10 more. The monitor should be considered a nominal 24" in the new trend toward accurately describing monitor sizes in specifications.

The last area to discuss is input devices, where we went with gamer value favorites in the Logitech G11 USB gaming keyboard and the MX518 8-button laser mouse. Both are very well regarded devices that fit well with the capabilities and concept of a Phenom II overclocking system. If gaming is not your goal you could easily move to the $16 Microsoft OEM keyboard and mouse used in the budget Phenom II build and reduce the complete system prices by $83. If you will use your Phenom II value system for graphics and photo editing but not gaming, you can also drop the G11/MX518 and select precision input devices that better fit your needs.

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  • Gary Key - Monday, April 27, 2009 - link

    I have not noticed poor SATA performance on the SB750. It is typically a few percent lower than the ICH10R in actual applications, but nothing that you ever notice on a day to day basis. As far as ACHI/NCQ problems, I have not experienced them with the SB710/750 yet.

    This includes Linux and Windows installations. I know people have complained about it, but I just have not seen it yet in probably 300+ installs of either operating system. The one problem I have right now is SSD performance is not up to par to the ICH10. AMD is working on a new driver to improve performance as the hardware is fine.
  • Wesley Fink - Monday, April 27, 2009 - link

    Early AMD southbridges did suffer from the issues you describe. The design and performance has steadily improved with each new generation of southbridge, and AMD has come a long way from the SB400/450 days. I have forwarded your question to our motherboard Editor for more info on the state of the SB750 southbrudge.
  • lefenzy - Friday, April 24, 2009 - link

    Would Anandtech please stop recommending 1080P monitors? LCD manufacturers are tricking consumers by selling screens with less area with this marketing gimmick.
  • JarredWalton - Friday, April 24, 2009 - link

    I don't see how it's a "trick", since the resolution is clearly stated. If you want to complain about it being "less monitor", I'd be far more upset about all the TN panels now being pushed into budget displays. I've used/tested several, and they're "fine" for most users, but they will never be the quality of an S-PVA, S-MVA, or S-IPS LCD.

    Honestly, if you want a good IPS display at a reasonable cost, what I'd really recommend these days is to grab a 32" HDTV - check it out in person though to make sure it's not a TN panel, because those are showing up as well. Just look at the vertical viewing angles and it should be clear whether it's TN or not.
  • MadMan007 - Saturday, April 25, 2009 - link

    Can't fit a 32" TV on my desk nor sit ~3 feet away from it comfortably :p I wrote about the monitors as well. I will say that 1920x1080 is a win over 1680x1050 IF they are similar prices or a bit more and same panel types, at least you're getting more for the money. ex: a 1920x1080 TN for $50 more than a 1680x1050 TN. It's a ripoff when they substitute less vertical space in the same supposed screen size (the diagonal measurement allows them to cheat there) for the same price.

    Where this article fails is in not even mentioning panel types nor aspect ratios, and using a freaking TN in a $1600 system.

    These guides are starting to read more like advertising copy when they push fudged specs rather than informing readers.
  • lopri - Friday, April 24, 2009 - link

    Thank you for this wonderful guide. It's been a while since I planned to build a Phenom system, and it looks like I can finally finish it thanks to this guide. I do have a couple of questions.

    1. There are many DDR3 sticks marketed as 'i7 edition'. Is it safe to use those sticks on AM3 platform? (both compatibility and overclocking-wise)

    2. What is the system requirement of AOD (AMD OverDrive)? Does it work only on a board with SB750 or..?

    I am very excited to get a 955BE. Tired of vTT, vFSB, vGTL, vWTFU1Di0t... on Intel quads.. I'd like to play with multipliers, dividers, and timings instead!
  • Wesley Fink - Saturday, April 25, 2009 - link

    Question 2 - From AMD:

    "This is release V3.0.1 of AMD OverDrive™ Utility.

    This version of AMD OverDrive™ Utility supports systems with the AMD RD890/RD790/RS780/RX780/RS780D/RS880 serials boards.

    AMD OverDrive™ Utility in general is designed to provide users the ability to maximize the capability, flexibility, and adjustability of the AMD chipset products; it allows user to tune parameters to help system stability, optimize performance, and control cooling/acoustic characteristics. AMD’s target is to provide an all-in-one utility which can deliver all-around stellar operation.

    ---System Requirements---

    Operating systems supported are:

    Microsoft® Windows Vista® 32-bit
    Microsoft® Windows Vista® 64-bit
    Microsoft Windows® XP
    Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
    Microsoft Windows 7"
  • lopri - Sunday, April 26, 2009 - link

    Thank you much, kind sir!
  • Wesley Fink - Friday, April 24, 2009 - link

    Question 1 - The Core i7 memory controller is on the CPU, and it and the motherboard design is the controlling factor for triple-channel, dual-channel, and single-channel memory. The DDR3 memory itself is essentially the same whether used as single, dual, or triple-channel memory. Things are best when matched modules are used for memory.

    Since the Phenom II AM3 supports Dual-channel DDR3 and not triple-channel you are better off buying dual-channel DDR3 kits mainly because if you install 3 dimms your system will run in single channel mode, and if in dual channel you have an extra dimm. However, we have used triple channel dimm kits for Core i7 in AM3 dual-channel setups with no problems. One builder I know buys only triple-channel for the best value and then uses 2 or 3 or 4 or 6 DDR3 dimms - whatever is needed and works on the system - in his builds.

    The other way around is more an issue though, as the Core i7 memory controller can be very picky about the DDR3 you feed it. We know plenty of dual-channel dimms - mostly pre i7 - that work fine on other DDR3 boards, but that do not always play well with Core i7.

    Question 2 - We are trying to find an answer to this one.
  • PrinceGaz - Friday, April 24, 2009 - link

    You don't seem to mention anything about the network adapter in these systems. I know the motherboards all have built-in ethernet socket(s), but for gaming would you recommend a Killer Xeno Pro (or even the upcoming Killer Xeno Ultra)?

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