> VP9 has not seen quite the same level of usage as say H.264
Why would you compare VP9 usage to h.264 usage, rather than HEVC usage? VP9 is from HEVC's generation.
Anyway, neither will be even half as popular as h.264 was by the time IETF's NETVC/Daala/whatever they will call it arrives in a couple of years, at which point everyone will be in a hurry to support IETF next-generation open source and royalty-free standard, and dump both HEVC and VP9.
MPEG-LA will not get a shot at this anymore with an HEVC successor. Once the IETF standard arrives, it will be over. Nobody will want to get into the patent mess of MPEG-LA anymore.
The thing is, it is not as simple as just putting together a new codec. The patented techniques in H.264 (and HEVC) are efficient ways to compress video. VP8 / VP9 worked hard to be patent free but that included using some less efficient techniques, compromising the quality per bandwidth just so that it would be patent free. I'm not saying there is not a method to make good quality compressed video that has not yet been discovered but it the fact is, at this stage, if you want to go patent free you need to compromise on one of the following: quality, bitrate, encoding / decoding complexity
6-8 cores might find a use in VR.. A headset with dual 4k60 displays is doable and you could push video to it. Phones that shoot 360 video (for better or worse) could become a thing.
The IETF codec project has effectively been superseded by "Alliance for Open Media" codec AV1. This is heavily based on what would have been VP10 so the work done by ARM so far won't be wasted effort.
All the big names (except Apple) are behind it, hopefully creating a single near-H265 competitor to stick it to MPEG.
6-8 cores might find a use in VR.. A headset with dual 4k60 displays is doable and you could push video to it. Phones that shoot 360 video (for better or worse) could become a thing. Ofc in drones a lot more is needed for high res 360 video at high FPS. 6x4k120 would be great - do wish we had image sensors with global shutter.
I understand the scaling point of the 1080p80 reference, but does this have any REAL WORLD application? Is there some strange space (high end gaming? some weird Chinese video standard?) that utilizes 80fps?
"Typical Displays" makes it sound strange, as if the intent is to be used for existing displays that are of those specifications. I'm hoping for some VR applications and betterment but that might be a little too hopeful.
Comparing VP9's usage/adoption with H.264 is very strange, considering that they are different generations of codecs.
H.264's main competitor was VP8, and yes, VP8 barely saw any adoption and H.264 "won" that battle easily. VP9's main competition however is HEVC, and right now, I think there is mo VP9 video going through the internet tubes than HEVC video as we speak.
One thing is that AVC/h.264 had quite a head start over VP8, while VP9 and HEVC/h.265 came out right around the same time but because of VP9's open source nature had open source encode/decoders (libvpx) ready to implement into software nearly right away.
Hmmm...Makes me wonder what is next for accelerating. We've had floating point, integer, sound and graphics all been given a much needed boost. Apart from obviously speeding up buses, I wonder what is next?
H.264's main competitor was VP8, and yes, VP8 barely saw any adoption and H.264 "won" that battle easily. VP9's main competition however is HEVC, and right now, I think there is mo VP9 video going through the internet tubes than HEVC video as we speak. http://kpopost.wapka.mobi
Anyway, neither will be even half as popular as h.264 was by the time IETF's NETVC/Daala/whatever they will call it arrives in a couple of years, at which point everyone will be in a hurry to support IETF next-generation open source and royalty-free standard, and dump both HEVC and VP9.
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A5 - Thursday, June 16, 2016 - link
The real question IMO is whether an SOC with the 3/6 core versions will be cheap enough to push 4K HFR to a bunch of devices.Krysto - Thursday, June 16, 2016 - link
> VP9 has not seen quite the same level of usage as say H.264Why would you compare VP9 usage to h.264 usage, rather than HEVC usage? VP9 is from HEVC's generation.
Anyway, neither will be even half as popular as h.264 was by the time IETF's NETVC/Daala/whatever they will call it arrives in a couple of years, at which point everyone will be in a hurry to support IETF next-generation open source and royalty-free standard, and dump both HEVC and VP9.
MPEG-LA will not get a shot at this anymore with an HEVC successor. Once the IETF standard arrives, it will be over. Nobody will want to get into the patent mess of MPEG-LA anymore.
ERJ - Thursday, June 16, 2016 - link
The thing is, it is not as simple as just putting together a new codec. The patented techniques in H.264 (and HEVC) are efficient ways to compress video. VP8 / VP9 worked hard to be patent free but that included using some less efficient techniques, compromising the quality per bandwidth just so that it would be patent free. I'm not saying there is not a method to make good quality compressed video that has not yet been discovered but it the fact is, at this stage, if you want to go patent free you need to compromise on one of the following: quality, bitrate, encoding / decoding complexitytuxRoller - Thursday, June 16, 2016 - link
Which is why daala is important, and is a basis for netvc (along with vp10 and Thor).Thus far, the results are damn good.
Ariknowsbest - Friday, June 17, 2016 - link
If the major patentholders want to create a free and open codec they can.http://aomedia.org
hapeid - Friday, September 30, 2016 - link
6-8 cores might find a use in VR.. A headset with dual 4k60 displays is doable and you could push video to it. Phones that shoot 360 video (for better or worse) could become a thing.http://apkmoded.com
hapeid - Wednesday, January 4, 2017 - link
Can you imagine this inside a new “Raspberry PI4”??!? It would be really amazing …..B3an - Thursday, June 16, 2016 - link
CP9 can bare match H.264 is qCurbedLarry - Friday, June 17, 2016 - link
The IETF codec project has effectively been superseded by "Alliance for Open Media" codec AV1. This is heavily based on what would have been VP10 so the work done by ARM so far won't be wasted effort.All the big names (except Apple) are behind it, hopefully creating a single near-H265 competitor to stick it to MPEG.
jjj - Thursday, June 16, 2016 - link
6-8 cores might find a use in VR.. A headset with dual 4k60 displays is doable and you could push video to it. Phones that shoot 360 video (for better or worse) could become a thing.Ofc in drones a lot more is needed for high res 360 video at high FPS. 6x4k120 would be great - do wish we had image sensors with global shutter.
name99 - Thursday, June 16, 2016 - link
I understand the scaling point of the 1080p80 reference, but does this have any REAL WORLD application? Is there some strange space (high end gaming? some weird Chinese video standard?) that utilizes 80fps?Ryan Smith - Thursday, June 16, 2016 - link
No. It's just meant to show that even a single core offers more than the bare minimum performance required for 1080p.Nintendo Maniac 64 - Thursday, June 16, 2016 - link
1080p80 can be seen as a somewhat backwards way of just saying that 1080p24 uses only 30% utilization on a single core.CoD511 - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
"Typical Displays" makes it sound strange, as if the intent is to be used for existing displays that are of those specifications. I'm hoping for some VR applications and betterment but that might be a little too hopeful.aryonoco - Friday, June 17, 2016 - link
Comparing VP9's usage/adoption with H.264 is very strange, considering that they are different generations of codecs.H.264's main competitor was VP8, and yes, VP8 barely saw any adoption and H.264 "won" that battle easily. VP9's main competition however is HEVC, and right now, I think there is mo VP9 video going through the internet tubes than HEVC video as we speak.
Nintendo Maniac 64 - Friday, June 17, 2016 - link
One thing is that AVC/h.264 had quite a head start over VP8, while VP9 and HEVC/h.265 came out right around the same time but because of VP9's open source nature had open source encode/decoders (libvpx) ready to implement into software nearly right away.eduardor2k - Friday, June 17, 2016 - link
Youtube uses vp9, that might count as almost 50% internet video streamingSydneyBlue120d - Friday, June 17, 2016 - link
Can you name a smartphone with HEVC encoding enabled? Thanks.name99 - Friday, June 17, 2016 - link
iPhone 6 (and later) use HEVC for FaceTime.http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/12/apples-i...
SydneyBlue120d - Sunday, June 19, 2016 - link
AFAIK it is not used anymore.profquatermass - Friday, June 17, 2016 - link
Hmmm...Makes me wonder what is next for accelerating. We've had floating point, integer, sound and graphics all been given a much needed boost. Apart from obviously speeding up buses, I wonder what is next?hapeid - Friday, January 13, 2017 - link
H.264's main competitor was VP8, and yes, VP8 barely saw any adoption and H.264 "won" that battle easily. VP9's main competition however is HEVC, and right now, I think there is mo VP9 video going through the internet tubes than HEVC video as we speak. http://kpopost.wapka.mobihapeid - Monday, March 27, 2017 - link
Anyway, neither will be even half as popular as h.264 was by the time IETF's NETVC/Daala/whatever they will call it arrives in a couple of years, at which point everyone will be in a hurry to support IETF next-generation open source and royalty-free standard, and dump both HEVC and VP9.http://laguku.zone
RealFreak - Thursday, September 7, 2017 - link
Arm sure don’t choose a naming standard that helps the users recognise which graphics are faster, better.http://gamefreedl.com/