Ryzen not doing well on OC not because of this, it's because it uses GloFo 14nm LP (Low Power) process.. this makes these silicons are optimised more for getting lower power not to go for higher clocks...
It's rumoured that GloFo next gen 7nm LP is better, the LP in 7nm stands for Leading Performance which should allow higher clocks. but we don't know if AMD will actually use that process and if they will use a different 14nm process before 7nm is ready.
The process can buy you more wiggle room, but 14nm LPP isn't bad for frequency. AMD hits a hard wall so consistently because it has a critical path somewhere that reaches its limits.
Pretty much everyone finds that 4Ghz is the top they can get for acceptable voltage. A few find they can only do 3.9GHz, very very very find anything outside of that range.
A better process will still help, of course, because those critical paths are then more forgiving, but engineering those paths to be more forgiving on 14nm LPP would work just as well.
but imagine what could go wrong. Some back-woods company could flood the market with 'zen' motherboards that use LGA sockets and has a terrible failure rate. Then joe-gamer public buys an incompatible board, which then catches on fire, and the story that gets propogated is 'AMD Zen products have issues and catch on fie' Not great that we live in such a dumb world, but that is why you have to control your brand.
Yes, recently there was another strange occurrence when the developers of the game Prey forced the team (who incidentally made the game), to stop an effort to rename their studio to "Prey of the gods". Silly, right? They said they can use Pray of the Gods instead, which is kind of funny.
Sky is not only radio, but also satellite TV and broadband company (satellite TV since the 80's). It's easy to see how using "Sky" in an internet service would be confusing if there's also an ISP called "Sky".
I don't take that to mean that they're stating their performance is leading compared to others. It can mean "GloFo's leading node for performance-oriented products". So "leading" means "first of a kind"?
I imagine AMD would release a new stepping for Ryzen in the meantime, perhaps for Threadripper. Boost clocks a bit, up the product numbers by 50, et voila.
I would say AMD are doing very well at overclocking since Ryzen is comfortably out performing intel chips [that cost more] when both are running at their highest clock speeds
Yes, it seems the IPC is 3x greater this new generation. I'm in the middle of building a Ryzen 7 PC to replace my FX-8350 (4.6). Going from one 8-core to another with a lower clock speed sounds silly on paper, but there's at least triple performance gains here. The place to overclock on the new platform is indeed memory.
I've never heard of DASH management protocol. Does it only need motherboard support in BIOS or does it need additional hardware? Does it need a "Special" chipset like vPro?
On a side note, maybe these Pro Ryzen overclock better? There's hope. I also expect they'll cost more.
Assuming the Pro chips are using harvested, higher quality dies, then one might be safe in assuming they'd overclock better. However, they're probably intended for sale to OEMs that will drop them into stuff like Optiplexes atop motherboards that lack overclocking options. The features list in this article makes it clear these things are being targeted at business buyers with IT departments that won't be pushing them out of spec.
Maybe, but plenty of OEM-only parts are available on the retail market including Intel vPro chips so who's to say you can't buy the processor on its own and stick it into your motherboard of choice?
It is unfortunate that there is no integrated video. If these are truly meant for businesses, most business machines have zero need for a discrete graphics solution.
For a while there Dell had a low end Nvidia card in a lot of Optiplex with a fan that would fail at the end of the warranty. Often it was a 5200 version of the Quadro, so a $35 card with a $900 price attached.
Dude I can't believe you don't know, lol I didn't intill yesterday anyways lol amd does have integrated video and it's been right in front of ur face this whole time. The amd4 motherboards are not just for rysen. They really should have been advertising this so much better buth 7th gen is about using there old altlon architecture and applying it to a 10 or 12 core cpu. Now get this taking 4 cores for regular processing 64bit and truning the rest of the cores into a R7 gpu. It is called an apu and that is why the motherboards have hdmi or dvi conection. This is out for the most part but it's hard for me to find the chips. The chips have next gen cores in them and the gpu and take on cpu tasks if it needs help. That's why they are doing this whole security thing with pro chips coming out soon. It using this extremely fast memory and can fit a lot into a small spot so it became the cache bus for the who chip and everything talks through it.
My post is a little confusing but the pro chips have nothing to do with it. I was just saying the cache mem that they develop for this system has endless possibilities and potential with how they set up the architecture. The apu I was talking about susposedly aren't even zen yet, according to what I can tell I assume they will roll out the zen version of these apu chips and ppl will start talking about it. If they can fit in passcal it would be sick but having 4c8T and a R7 within the same single chip is alsome and everything now works on the same platform you can see amd was cutting corners for a bit trying to make something out of every thing even not suitable discarded chips. Now that's a business strategy
"Two year availability" sounds painful on the Ryzen 5 Pro 1500. Presumably the price will be set to be profitable selling a whole Zeppelin for the price of a half. I'm assuming the Ryzen 3 won't be based on a 8 core device.
Ryzen 3 Pro only has 8 MB L3 cache, which would indicate it only has one working CCX. The future APU products are supposed to have on CCX of 4 cores and a "graphics complex" (or some such) replacing the other CCX, and are ought to not have SMT. So maybe the Ryzen 3 Pro parts are based on the APU die and not Zeppelin?
Hmm, didn't think of it that way. Those would make a very nice home/small business severs. We'll have to wait for the motherboards with ECC and remote management capabilities.
I think these will also be used for web servers, especially since the SEV feature would allow better security on shared hosting systems. I don't think Xeons have that feature.
I would think encrypting the memory would have the added benefit of more obvious failures in the case of bit-flips. Attacks like Row Hammer will be more difficult because flipping any bits will completely decimate the current AES block and any blocks after.
Everyone keeps talking about ECC support. Can someone confirm (B350) motherboard and RAM combinations that support ECC? The only thing I could find at the correct clock speed that was unbuffered ECC was Kingston ValueRAM. Which, is fine, I've used it in severs for years, although the registered variant, but I'd be fine with that if I could just get confirmation. I want to use Ryzen for a linux workstation slash vm box for dev/test and I'd like to have ECC if possible. Yes, I understand it's limited to correcting single bit errors only.
From the top my head I know the newly announced Mini-ITX Gigabyte GA-AB350N-Gaming WIFI had official ECC support, I also read about an Asus board too, but don't remember the model. More model will come with official ECC support for sure.
I've seen a couple boards than claim to support non-buffered ECC memory. But I can't find anyone confirmed motherboard + ECC RAM combinations that are verified to work.
My Ryzen 1700x on an ASUS PRIME X370-PRO with 2x CRUCIAL 16GB D4 2400 ECCUDIMM C17 seems to work. I haven't gotten any error reports yet but Linux seems to be reporting that all of the EDAC is active and scrubbing is running. Note that I'm running Fedora 26 beta with kernel 4.11, and I updated the BIOS in early June. Also note that this board's UEFI does not have any ECC configuration options but it seems to set it up anyway.
The one and only thing I dislike about by Ryzen 1800X is the decision by AMD to over-report chip temperature by 20 degC. I've read about the reason for it, but this has all the hallmarks of a late and heavy-handed band-aid to a corner case issue. They and/or the mobo manufacturers should offer an option to switch it off. At the very least, Asus (Crosshair VI) should expand the available range on fan control in the BIOS. That's the rub - with a 20C offset my fans can only be set to low or high, with non-existent middle ground for ramping. Sigh.
Just to summarize, AMD chips experience catastrophic throttling just a few degrees after most fans shift into high gear. Therefore, logically, AMD decided to over-report their tempeature so that the fans would turn on sooner, so that the CPUs would throttle far less. Problem solved. It's more of a problem of Intel setting that standard and AMD having to patch around a stupid standards ~ the cpu itself should have pins selecting clock speeds, but that would screw Intel customers so Intel doesn't allow it ...
Lol yes just because of this offset AMD new chips are garbage lol I love how this person comment this as if amd was trying to trick everyone are they ment it's some how. When in reality they probably made this chip put so much time into developing and everything else. Amd was really falling apart and put all their eggs in this basket. But aside from all that they probably didn't realize that there was an offset the intill to late but why stop the launch it would only completely ruin them for good probably if they didn't get this right. But because they couldn't warn everyone in time you actually had to think on ur own and figure it out just by looking into it. who would complain about an offset. How about don't by a new tech right away let them get the kinks out. Errr now im just commenting nonsense. Why does someone always want to bring up the none problem to stop or try to stop talking about productivity or healthy comptition. What is up with that it is like ingrained into some Ppl and they don't even realize they are doing it. It basically is the cancer of the left today. Because ppl never actually created anything or added anything they need to stop others from doing so. It creates it's own economies and people need to stop being so PC and call ppl out on it. Another fine rambling from me
"As the SEV uses different keys for different VMs, it does not work with TSME. By contrast, SEV is fully enabled on AMD’s EPYC processors (it will be interesting to see whether Threadripper chips support the feature as well)."
What do you mean "by contrast"? You haven't made a statement that indicates there is a divergent behaviour!
Are the clocks on the Pro 1700X correct(3.5/3.7)? They're different then the standard 1700X(3.4/3.8). Specifically, base clock is 100MHz faster, but boost is 100MHz slower? The rest of the Pros match their standard brothers.
Marketing department of AMD is on drugs and out of control. You can not call it PRO with laughable DDR4-2400 and other lower specs. Call it Enterprise or STD.
You have -unintentionally- raised a valid point: Anton, are you sure about your clarification for platform stability and processor availability? I thought they were referring to RAS (Reliability, availability and serviceability) given the nature of the environment in which the processor will be deployed in.... that's quite different to: "AMD is guaranteeing that the Ryzen PRO chips it launches this year will be available for two more years without changes to software, enabling business customers to buy and deploy new systems running the CPUs without modifying the software they use." See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability,_availab...
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prime2515103 - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
No wonder Ryzens don't OC very well, they were saving all the good silicon for these.Xajel - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Ryzen not doing well on OC not because of this, it's because it uses GloFo 14nm LP (Low Power) process.. this makes these silicons are optimised more for getting lower power not to go for higher clocks...It's rumoured that GloFo next gen 7nm LP is better, the LP in 7nm stands for Leading Performance which should allow higher clocks. but we don't know if AMD will actually use that process and if they will use a different 14nm process before 7nm is ready.
looncraz - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
The process can buy you more wiggle room, but 14nm LPP isn't bad for frequency. AMD hits a hard wall so consistently because it has a critical path somewhere that reaches its limits.Pretty much everyone finds that 4Ghz is the top they can get for acceptable voltage. A few find they can only do 3.9GHz, very very very find anything outside of that range.
A better process will still help, of course, because those critical paths are then more forgiving, but engineering those paths to be more forgiving on 14nm LPP would work just as well.
willis936 - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
"Leading Performance"... Wow.Samus - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
I personally thing they doomed this thing calling it Ryzen. Why didn't they just call it Zen.BrokenCrayons - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
The word "zen" can't be trademarked. Something other than Ryzen could have been selected, but Zen wouldn't have worked at all.qasdfdsaq - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Does it really matter? It's not like there are any other competitors in the x86 CPU space who are likely to try copy the name if it's not trademarked.CaedenV - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
but imagine what could go wrong. Some back-woods company could flood the market with 'zen' motherboards that use LGA sockets and has a terrible failure rate. Then joe-gamer public buys an incompatible board, which then catches on fire, and the story that gets propogated is 'AMD Zen products have issues and catch on fie'Not great that we live in such a dumb world, but that is why you have to control your brand.
LG25 - Sunday, July 16, 2017 - link
Yes, recently there was another strange occurrence when the developers of the game Prey forced the team (who incidentally made the game), to stop an effort to rename their studio to "Prey of the gods". Silly, right? They said they can use Pray of the Gods instead, which is kind of funny.silverblue - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Doesn't matter. AMD had to stop using Fusion because of a threat of a suit from a PSU company.Santoval - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Every word can be trademarked for a specific use case. Microsoft even trademarked the word "Word".Samus - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Sky Radio trademarked the word "Sky" in the UK. Forced Microsoft to change the name SkyDrive to OneDrive.Because everyone confuses FM Radio with cloud storage, right?
Hul8 - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Sky is not only radio, but also satellite TV and broadband company (satellite TV since the 80's). It's easy to see how using "Sky" in an internet service would be confusing if there's also an ISP called "Sky".Hul8 - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
I don't take that to mean that they're stating their performance is leading compared to others. It can mean "GloFo's leading node for performance-oriented products". So "leading" means "first of a kind"?Hul8 - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Or indeed it could mean "Leading, Performance" - it's their leading 7 nm process, and it's geared towards high-performance.silverblue - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
I imagine AMD would release a new stepping for Ryzen in the meantime, perhaps for Threadripper. Boost clocks a bit, up the product numbers by 50, et voila.Outlander_04 - Wednesday, July 5, 2017 - link
I would say AMD are doing very well at overclocking since Ryzen is comfortably out performing intel chips [that cost more] when both are running at their highest clock speedsLG25 - Sunday, July 16, 2017 - link
Yes, it seems the IPC is 3x greater this new generation. I'm in the middle of building a Ryzen 7 PC to replace my FX-8350 (4.6). Going from one 8-core to another with a lower clock speed sounds silly on paper, but there's at least triple performance gains here. The place to overclock on the new platform is indeed memory.Myrandex - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
In the competitive positioning table the Ryzen 3's have 4c/8t, while I believe it should be 4c/4t?Ryan Smith - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Whoops. Indeed it is. Thanks!Glock24 - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
I've never heard of DASH management protocol. Does it only need motherboard support in BIOS or does it need additional hardware? Does it need a "Special" chipset like vPro?On a side note, maybe these Pro Ryzen overclock better? There's hope. I also expect they'll cost more.
BrokenCrayons - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Assuming the Pro chips are using harvested, higher quality dies, then one might be safe in assuming they'd overclock better. However, they're probably intended for sale to OEMs that will drop them into stuff like Optiplexes atop motherboards that lack overclocking options. The features list in this article makes it clear these things are being targeted at business buyers with IT departments that won't be pushing them out of spec.qasdfdsaq - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Maybe, but plenty of OEM-only parts are available on the retail market including Intel vPro chips so who's to say you can't buy the processor on its own and stick it into your motherboard of choice?nathanddrews - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
An entire CPU lineup that can be overclocked, use ECC (motherboard dependent), and no other artificial limitations. Be still, my heart.pepoluan - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
^^ THIS ^^I still remember the nightmare when I had to choose an Intel CPU that has all the needed features I need. Eff you Intel for artificial limitations!!
jimjamjamie - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Yep, quite satisfying to see AMD calling out Intel's bullshit in their marketing for these PRO cpus.lilmoe - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
+1Stuka87 - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
It is unfortunate that there is no integrated video. If these are truly meant for businesses, most business machines have zero need for a discrete graphics solution.Mavendependency - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
I have seen that dell usually configures optiplex systems with a low end card despite the intel GPU, anyway.Gasaraki88 - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
That's totally not true. I get Optiplexes and they all have IGP.Marsolin - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
While Dell Optiplex does offer discrete for those that want it, the vast majority of their configurations default to processor graphics.MrSpadge - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
It'S ben a few years but I've also seen the Optiplexes with IPG and ultra-low end AMD GPU with a tiny somewhat noisy fan.0ldman79 - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
I've seen it all.For a while there Dell had a low end Nvidia card in a lot of Optiplex with a fan that would fail at the end of the warranty. Often it was a 5200 version of the Quadro, so a $35 card with a $900 price attached.
pepoluan - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
OEMs can use low-end on-board discrete GPUs, like Nvidia's M line (for laptops), though. Might be better, even, from heat dissipation point of view.jpreziose - Monday, July 10, 2017 - link
Dude I can't believe you don't know, lol I didn't intill yesterday anyways lol amd does have integrated video and it's been right in front of ur face this whole time. The amd4 motherboards are not just for rysen. They really should have been advertising this so much better buth 7th gen is about using there old altlon architecture and applying it to a 10 or 12 core cpu. Now get this taking 4 cores for regular processing 64bit and truning the rest of the cores into a R7 gpu. It is called an apu and that is why the motherboards have hdmi or dvi conection. This is out for the most part but it's hard for me to find the chips. The chips have next gen cores in them and the gpu and take on cpu tasks if it needs help. That's why they are doing this whole security thing with pro chips coming out soon. It using this extremely fast memory and can fit a lot into a small spot so it became the cache bus for the who chip and everything talks through it.jpreziose - Monday, July 10, 2017 - link
My post is a little confusing but the pro chips have nothing to do with it. I was just saying the cache mem that they develop for this system has endless possibilities and potential with how they set up the architecture. The apu I was talking about susposedly aren't even zen yet, according to what I can tell I assume they will roll out the zen version of these apu chips and ppl will start talking about it. If they can fit in passcal it would be sick but having 4c8T and a R7 within the same single chip is alsome and everything now works on the same platform you can see amd was cutting corners for a bit trying to make something out of every thing even not suitable discarded chips. Now that's a business strategywumpus - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
"Two year availability" sounds painful on the Ryzen 5 Pro 1500. Presumably the price will be set to be profitable selling a whole Zeppelin for the price of a half. I'm assuming the Ryzen 3 won't be based on a 8 core device.Drumsticks - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
A single Zeppelin die has 2 CCX's on-die, so all of the consumer Ryzen parts have to have 8 physical cores on them, enabled or otherwise.Hul8 - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Ryzen 3 Pro only has 8 MB L3 cache, which would indicate it only has one working CCX. The future APU products are supposed to have on CCX of 4 cores and a "graphics complex" (or some such) replacing the other CCX, and are ought to not have SMT. So maybe the Ryzen 3 Pro parts are based on the APU die and not Zeppelin?Hul8 - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
*one CCX (not "on CCX").Hul8 - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Toms Hardware got confirmation from AMD that Ryzen 3 Pro has two CCXes, with two cores enabled per complex.jabbadap - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
You can call me ignorant, but ain't these should be compared to Xeon E3 without igpu. Or are these APUs?Glock24 - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Hmm, didn't think of it that way. Those would make a very nice home/small business severs. We'll have to wait for the motherboards with ECC and remote management capabilities.Ian Cutress - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
These aren't for Xeon comparison - think more like vPro.MrSpadge - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Actually - why not? They've got ECC and remote management. What else does a Xeon E3 offer over these?qasdfdsaq - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
iGPU both for actual video output and accelerated rendering/decoding/whatever other fixed-function hardware they include in there.lefty2 - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
I think these will also be used for web servers, especially since the SEV feature would allow better security on shared hosting systems. I don't think Xeons have that feature.Gothmoth - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
lol.. good that i have waited.TEAMSWITCHER - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
So... The Ryzen processors everyone has been purchasing were for amateurs?dave_the_nerd - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Enthusiasts and early adopters, yes.dave_the_nerd - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
These aren't really "Pro" features, they're "features your IT department likes."Holliday75 - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Please point on this doll where the bad IT person touched you.bcronce - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
I would think encrypting the memory would have the added benefit of more obvious failures in the case of bit-flips. Attacks like Row Hammer will be more difficult because flipping any bits will completely decimate the current AES block and any blocks after.vanilla_gorilla - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Everyone keeps talking about ECC support. Can someone confirm (B350) motherboard and RAM combinations that support ECC? The only thing I could find at the correct clock speed that was unbuffered ECC was Kingston ValueRAM. Which, is fine, I've used it in severs for years, although the registered variant, but I'd be fine with that if I could just get confirmation. I want to use Ryzen for a linux workstation slash vm box for dev/test and I'd like to have ECC if possible. Yes, I understand it's limited to correcting single bit errors only.Glock24 - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
From the top my head I know the newly announced Mini-ITX Gigabyte GA-AB350N-Gaming WIFI had official ECC support, I also read about an Asus board too, but don't remember the model. More model will come with official ECC support for sure.vanilla_gorilla - Saturday, July 1, 2017 - link
I've seen a couple boards than claim to support non-buffered ECC memory. But I can't find anyone confirmed motherboard + ECC RAM combinations that are verified to work.Zan Lynx - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
My Ryzen 1700x on an ASUS PRIME X370-PRO with 2x CRUCIAL 16GB D4 2400 ECCUDIMM C17 seems to work. I haven't gotten any error reports yet but Linux seems to be reporting that all of the EDAC is active and scrubbing is running. Note that I'm running Fedora 26 beta with kernel 4.11, and I updated the BIOS in early June. Also note that this board's UEFI does not have any ECC configuration options but it seems to set it up anyway.Arbie - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
The one and only thing I dislike about by Ryzen 1800X is the decision by AMD to over-report chip temperature by 20 degC. I've read about the reason for it, but this has all the hallmarks of a late and heavy-handed band-aid to a corner case issue. They and/or the mobo manufacturers should offer an option to switch it off. At the very least, Asus (Crosshair VI) should expand the available range on fan control in the BIOS. That's the rub - with a 20C offset my fans can only be set to low or high, with non-existent middle ground for ramping. Sigh.Aside from that - go AMD!
cilvre - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
From what i recall, this has been fixed through software and bios updates. https://www.eteknix.com/amd-ryzen-master-software-...systemBuilder - Wednesday, July 5, 2017 - link
Just to summarize, AMD chips experience catastrophic throttling just a few degrees after most fans shift into high gear. Therefore, logically, AMD decided to over-report their tempeature so that the fans would turn on sooner, so that the CPUs would throttle far less. Problem solved. It's more of a problem of Intel setting that standard and AMD having to patch around a stupid standards ~ the cpu itself should have pins selecting clock speeds, but that would screw Intel customers so Intel doesn't allow it ...jpreziose - Monday, July 10, 2017 - link
Lol yes just because of this offset AMD new chips are garbage lol I love how this person comment this as if amd was trying to trick everyone are they ment it's some how. When in reality they probably made this chip put so much time into developing and everything else. Amd was really falling apart and put all their eggs in this basket. But aside from all that they probably didn't realize that there was an offset the intill to late but why stop the launch it would only completely ruin them for good probably if they didn't get this right. But because they couldn't warn everyone in time you actually had to think on ur own and figure it out just by looking into it. who would complain about an offset. How about don't by a new tech right away let them get the kinks out. Errr now im just commenting nonsense. Why does someone always want to bring up the none problem to stop or try to stop talking about productivity or healthy comptition. What is up with that it is like ingrained into some Ppl and they don't even realize they are doing it. It basically is the cancer of the left today. Because ppl never actually created anything or added anything they need to stop others from doing so. It creates it's own economies and people need to stop being so PC and call ppl out on it. Another fine rambling from mescmorange16 - Thursday, June 29, 2017 - link
Any news of Ryzen Pro compatible motherboards?R3MF - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
"As the SEV uses different keys for different VMs, it does not work with TSME. By contrast, SEV is fully enabled on AMD’s EPYC processors (it will be interesting to see whether Threadripper chips support the feature as well)."What do you mean "by contrast"?
You haven't made a statement that indicates there is a divergent behaviour!
Ryan Smith - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Unlike TSME, SEV is not enabled on Ryzen Pro.R3MF - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
thanksThreska - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
So what are the differences between Intel SGX and AMD SEV?Mr Perfect - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Are the clocks on the Pro 1700X correct(3.5/3.7)? They're different then the standard 1700X(3.4/3.8). Specifically, base clock is 100MHz faster, but boost is 100MHz slower? The rest of the Pros match their standard brothers.SanX - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Marketing department of AMD is on drugs and out of control. You can not call it PRO with laughable DDR4-2400 and other lower specs. Call it Enterprise or STD.Oxford Guy - Saturday, July 1, 2017 - link
Unless it's ECC RAM. ECC RAM typically is not overclocked so you won't find anything higher than, maybe, 2666.SanX - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
New Moore's Law by AMD:Your processor will last from 18 to 24 months, guaranteed.
Lolololol
EasyListening - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
tryhardK_Space - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
You have -unintentionally- raised a valid point: Anton, are you sure about your clarification for platform stability and processor availability? I thought they were referring to RAS (Reliability, availability and serviceability) given the nature of the environment in which the processor will be deployed in.... that's quite different to: "AMD is guaranteeing that the Ryzen PRO chips it launches this year will be available for two more years without changes to software, enabling business customers to buy and deploy new systems running the CPUs without modifying the software they use."See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability,_availab...
Outlander_04 - Tuesday, July 4, 2017 - link
Its easy to spot the intel fanboys , and how challenged their world view is