1.2kW supply with capacity for 5x pcie power cables. Lets call this out, its for mining rigs.
For the rest of us using 150-250watt GPUs and 100-150w CPUs, a 450-600w PSU with platinum rating would be welcome addition to the rig, especially for the idle/web-browsing low power efficiency. As a general rule, given a platinum rating, the lower wattage unit will have much better efficiency in the 40-80w region that most of our desktop rigs sit at for most of the day.
My 5800x and 1080 GTX are made amazingly more efficient in light duty computing by my Prime Fanless 450w supply.
Sorry, your comment is wrong on many levels. #1 it has 4 pcie- connectors, which means 4 usable cables(that split into 8) #2 for 1.2KW that is bad for miners, the 1200W from EVGA has 6 #3 the GPU in my desktop has used more than 250W a long while now :).
1) You're right, i guess i've gotten too spoiled by the fact that my Seasonic unit doesnt discriminate between CPU and PCIe connectors at the power supply, Both cables are interoperable in the same plug, which is excellent design imo.
2) The cables included with the unit are daisy chained with two 6+2 ends per cable, thats a potential total of 8 cards drawing 75w per from the mobo and 75w per from the pcie cable. Thats 150w per card which is your typical draw after underclocking and undervolting for mining purposes.
I'll just chime in and say i consider 1200 as a minimum and currently run an axi1500. my rig has an evga 3090 hybrid with a 500w power limit in bios. It runs at that limit often. The 12900k cpu is overclocked and routine runs over 300w and is only held back by thermal throttling. Thats 800 before we talk mb, fans, water pumps, drives, etc. ... and I like to have some good reserves just to make sure any instability while overclocking doesn't result from the PS.
Buying above your power requirements for your system means that your PSU runs quieter and should last longer.
Vega 64 was measured by adoredtv (at the wall) and was estimated at drawing 400W https://youtu.be/bIGpvBrwXvA. That's 1/3rd of this PSU's output. With a CPU like Threadripper, you'd draw another 280W. Now you're above 1/2 of the PSU's output. Then you add in ~220W for a 5m RGB light strip, 30W (a PC repair guy quoted this to me years ago as an HDDs start up power) * 4 for RAID10 HDDs, how about 60W for a Motherboard + 4 RAM sticks (just to be safe, IDK how much actual MBs and RAM draw), and finally 20W for 2 SSDs (that's about what some PCIe4 SSDs were drawing).
Then you're using 1,100W! You have just 100W of leeway for aging and sudden power draw.
Now what would happen if we added in a second GPU for SLI/Crossfire?
Now do you understand who this is designed for? It's for those with powerful PCs.
220w RGB strip? Thats on the order of putting a high output grow light in your rig. I imagine you meant 20w?
Point stands that the lower the unit wattage at a given 80+ rating, the generally massively superior efficiency performance you will find during low-power computing & system idle.
That's an insane amount of power. A normal LED bulb for a light fixture uses ~8W. 220W would be basically your PC blasting out insane amounts of light brighter than a car's headlights. A typical PC RGB setup uses maybe 5-10W.
"30W for the HDD" - this might be ramp-up power, necessary for a short while. I remember an old server mainboard with SCSI had in BIOS the option to start the hard drives "staggered" by several seconds each, to spread the "ramp up" power. However, the HDD ramp up will usually take place at startup, when there's little GPU load. And SLI/Crossfire is inferior to a single big card. I'm not sure you would need it with a 400W GPU.
I'm assuming desktop HDDs "ramp-down" when not in use. So they'll then need to ramp-up when the system is running and the CPU+GPU is more loaded down.
I can't really say if the various GPUs go to full power when first powered on, or if they go into an idle state. It's safer to assume a higher power draw than underestimate things IMHO.
Who uses 5 METERS of RGB strip in their PC? Even if you went with that crazy amount of RGB, a normal kit uses about 5 watts per meter. That's only ~25W, not 220W.
Someone mentioned this last time an FSP Hydro PSU was reviewed, and it still sticks out in my mind that naming an electronic power supply with a liquid acronym sends shivers down my spine :)
hydro not only applies to water based fluids, but also oil based fluids. Like hydraulic systems typically use mineral oils with additives that reduce corrosion, and wear.
To me, it implies "water cooled", like the EVGA FTW HYDRO series of graphics cards. This leads me to wonder: Why would a power supply need liquid (whether oil or water) cooling?
Is this all these companies can do now — use undersized heat sinks and blast the fan to compensate?
The noise level is unacceptable. It’s bait and switch. Advertise a high wattage but make the product so loud for anything approaching that capacity as to make it worthless. This is just like the UPS that claims sine wave output but which is incapable of actual sine waves above 25% output.
Scams upon scams upon scams. It’s extremely tiresome.
If you stick in an oversized heatsink, what you end up doing is killing all the airflow. Making heat pockets where the hot air doesn't get flushed out is worse, despite the extra cost from a bigger heatsink.
This is a really tempting PSU, provided its long term reliability is good.
During this pandemic it has been hard to get higher power PSUs at a decent price, and while this is on the higher end of pricing, the specs sorta justify it.
I would get it in a heart beat if I can't get anything else as it future-proofs GPUs.
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Xpl1c1t - Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - link
1.2kW supply with capacity for 5x pcie power cables.Lets call this out, its for mining rigs.
For the rest of us using 150-250watt GPUs and 100-150w CPUs, a 450-600w PSU with platinum rating would be welcome addition to the rig, especially for the idle/web-browsing low power efficiency. As a general rule, given a platinum rating, the lower wattage unit will have much better efficiency in the 40-80w region that most of our desktop rigs sit at for most of the day.
My 5800x and 1080 GTX are made amazingly more efficient in light duty computing by my Prime Fanless 450w supply.
bananaX - Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - link
Sorry, your comment is wrong on many levels.#1 it has 4 pcie- connectors, which means 4 usable cables(that split into 8)
#2 for 1.2KW that is bad for miners, the 1200W from EVGA has 6
#3 the GPU in my desktop has used more than 250W a long while now :).
Xpl1c1t - Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - link
1) You're right, i guess i've gotten too spoiled by the fact that my Seasonic unit doesnt discriminate between CPU and PCIe connectors at the power supply, Both cables are interoperable in the same plug, which is excellent design imo.2) The cables included with the unit are daisy chained with two 6+2 ends per cable, thats a potential total of 8 cards drawing 75w per from the mobo and 75w per from the pcie cable. Thats 150w per card which is your typical draw after underclocking and undervolting for mining purposes.
3) Well arent you special.
Jp7188 - Tuesday, May 3, 2022 - link
I'll just chime in and say i consider 1200 as a minimum and currently run an axi1500. my rig has an evga 3090 hybrid with a 500w power limit in bios. It runs at that limit often. The 12900k cpu is overclocked and routine runs over 300w and is only held back by thermal throttling. Thats 800 before we talk mb, fans, water pumps, drives, etc. ... and I like to have some good reserves just to make sure any instability while overclocking doesn't result from the PS.ballsystemlord - Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - link
You've missed 2 very important points.Buying above your power requirements for your system means that your PSU runs quieter and should last longer.
Vega 64 was measured by adoredtv (at the wall) and was estimated at drawing 400W https://youtu.be/bIGpvBrwXvA. That's 1/3rd of this PSU's output. With a CPU like Threadripper, you'd draw another 280W. Now you're above 1/2 of the PSU's output.
Then you add in ~220W for a 5m RGB light strip, 30W (a PC repair guy quoted this to me years ago as an HDDs start up power) * 4 for RAID10 HDDs, how about 60W for a Motherboard + 4 RAM sticks (just to be safe, IDK how much actual MBs and RAM draw), and finally 20W for 2 SSDs (that's about what some PCIe4 SSDs were drawing).
Then you're using 1,100W! You have just 100W of leeway for aging and sudden power draw.
Now what would happen if we added in a second GPU for SLI/Crossfire?
Now do you understand who this is designed for? It's for those with powerful PCs.
Xpl1c1t - Thursday, April 21, 2022 - link
220w RGB strip? Thats on the order of putting a high output grow light in your rig. I imagine you meant 20w?Point stands that the lower the unit wattage at a given 80+ rating, the generally massively superior efficiency performance you will find during low-power computing & system idle.
ballsystemlord - Thursday, April 21, 2022 - link
0.02A per LED. 3 bulbs for RGB. Running at 12v (or so I've read). 60 LEDs per meter. 5 meters.0.02*3*12*60*5 == ~220w
SodaAnt - Thursday, April 21, 2022 - link
That's an insane amount of power. A normal LED bulb for a light fixture uses ~8W. 220W would be basically your PC blasting out insane amounts of light brighter than a car's headlights. A typical PC RGB setup uses maybe 5-10W.ballsystemlord - Thursday, April 21, 2022 - link
There are more efficient RBG LEDs out there.Calin - Thursday, April 21, 2022 - link
"30W for the HDD" - this might be ramp-up power, necessary for a short while. I remember an old server mainboard with SCSI had in BIOS the option to start the hard drives "staggered" by several seconds each, to spread the "ramp up" power.However, the HDD ramp up will usually take place at startup, when there's little GPU load.
And SLI/Crossfire is inferior to a single big card. I'm not sure you would need it with a 400W GPU.
ballsystemlord - Thursday, April 21, 2022 - link
I'm assuming desktop HDDs "ramp-down" when not in use. So they'll then need to ramp-up when the system is running and the CPU+GPU is more loaded down.I can't really say if the various GPUs go to full power when first powered on, or if they go into an idle state. It's safer to assume a higher power draw than underestimate things IMHO.
dqniel - Friday, April 22, 2022 - link
Who uses 5 METERS of RGB strip in their PC? Even if you went with that crazy amount of RGB, a normal kit uses about 5 watts per meter. That's only ~25W, not 220W.Samus - Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - link
Someone mentioned this last time an FSP Hydro PSU was reviewed, and it still sticks out in my mind that naming an electronic power supply with a liquid acronym sends shivers down my spine :)meacupla - Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - link
hydro not only applies to water based fluids, but also oil based fluids. Like hydraulic systems typically use mineral oils with additives that reduce corrosion, and wear.Sivar - Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - link
To me, it implies "water cooled", like the EVGA FTW HYDRO series of graphics cards.This leads me to wonder: Why would a power supply need liquid (whether oil or water) cooling?
Slash3 - Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - link
FSP has actually produced a few water cooled versions (including a similar 1200W) over the years under the Hydro nameplate.https://www.anandtech.com/show/12411/fsp-liquid-co...
There have been a few others that have done so (Koolance, DeepCool, etc), but none of them were particularly popular for obvious reasons.
Oxford Guy - Thursday, April 21, 2022 - link
Is this all these companies can do now — use undersized heat sinks and blast the fan to compensate?The noise level is unacceptable. It’s bait and switch. Advertise a high wattage but make the product so loud for anything approaching that capacity as to make it worthless. This is just like the UPS that claims sine wave output but which is incapable of actual sine waves above 25% output.
Scams upon scams upon scams. It’s extremely tiresome.
meacupla - Thursday, April 21, 2022 - link
If you stick in an oversized heatsink, what you end up doing is killing all the airflow. Making heat pockets where the hot air doesn't get flushed out is worse, despite the extra cost from a bigger heatsink.flyingpants265 - Thursday, April 21, 2022 - link
I think you missed the point..m16 - Wednesday, May 18, 2022 - link
This is a really tempting PSU, provided its long term reliability is good.During this pandemic it has been hard to get higher power PSUs at a decent price, and while this is on the higher end of pricing, the specs sorta justify it.
I would get it in a heart beat if I can't get anything else as it future-proofs GPUs.